Giulio Cesare – A Case for Fraud

Ladies and Gentlemen, do not adjust your monitors. I am not Thing 1. My name is Gomez Adams and I’ve been asked to do this story for the sole purpose that I actually used to play the game and most around here never bothered with it.

Now, for quite some time Wargaming have been really bombarding their games with premium vehicles for the sole purpose of making money. It has, in large part, been one of the many reasons people became so disenfranchised with every game they’ve made. Each should, for obvious reasons, be renamed “World of Premiums” and insert the name of the vehicle in question at the end.

It’s gotten that bad. In fact, a member here was in a game of World of Tanks last weekend (God only knows why, and we’ll not get into it here) and he noticed that out of 30 vehicles in that match, not a single one was a tech tree vehicle.

All 30 were premiums. Wow. Just wow.

Back when Warships was just getting going and was a very good game, premiums were rather few and far between. But as the North American population of World of Tanks started hitting rock bottom, a sudden, rapid influx of premium ships began flooding in to World of Warships.

I remember them doing the write ups on the U.S.S. Arizona. They took their time with it. For months it was talked about, shown in teasers, tested, and tested more. It took months for it to make it to the live server and go on sale.

Now, premium ships are introduced at a rate approaching ridiculous levels of lunacy. In fact, at this point right now, just over 30% of all ships in World of Warships are premiums.

Italy has 4 premium ships. They have no regular ships.

Let me say that again: Italy has 4 premium ships.

THEY HAVE NO REGULAR SHIPS.

Why is that? One could understand one or two, but four? What’s the point in that? There are no ships to grind at all, no captains to train, what on earth is the point of even having an Italian Premium for captain training when you have no Italian ships to even place a captain in?

Well, money. That’s why. Why waste time working on a tech tree you can grind for free when you can hurl premiums into the game piecemeal and make quick cash.

But then there’s a problem: how to you coerce people into buying premiums for a ship line that doesn’t exist?

Simple: You make it so ridiculously over powered that they simply can’t refuse.

And that is where the Giulio Cesare comes in, friends.

This ship isn’t just OP. It’s RIDICULOUSLY OP. It is more dominate than even the Type 59 was in it’s prime. In fact, imagine the Type 59 in all its original glory being introduced at a T7 medium and that’s basically what you have with the Giulio Cesare.

Don’t think so? Well, let’s get some help from the good folks over at World of Warships Numbers. Here is how the stats of all T5 Battleships match up. You’ll notice that Giulio Cesare is, by far, number one in every category but one. (Texas is No. 1 in Planes Destroyed)

WIN RATE – No 1 by nearly 5% over first non-premium ship:

KILLS PER GAME – 35% higher than first non-premium ship:

DAMAGE PER GAME – 30% higher than first non-premium ship:

KILLS PER DEATH RATIO – 44% higher than first non-premium ship:

People, this thing isn’t just OP. It’s absolutely beyond the pale OP. This thing dominates T5 so badly, it actually dominates T6. That’s right! If you hurl in T6 ships to the T5 comparison, it still dominates in every category!

WIN RATE vs. T6:

KILLS vs. T6:

DAMAGE PER GAME vs. T6:

KILLS PER DEATH vs. T6:

Now, Wargaming’s bright idea to fix all of this is to simply move the ship to T6 untouched and leave it there. As you can all plainly see, it’s going to do quite well there. It will face T8’s and of course suffer accordingly, but overall the ship SHOULD be able to hold it’s own at T6 and still be a very good, winning, money making / captain training ship. (Not that it’s worth doing since there are no Italian ships to train a captain for, but there it is.)

But that’s not the point of this article. The main point is: how did a ship that is perfectly suited to T6 ever get introduced at T5 to begin with?

Just looking at the numbers, the ship is so laughably out of place at T5 one can only come to the conclusion that it was sale bait. It was placed there intentionally to make money.

And it worked. Thousands bought it.

But now that’s all over. The move to T6 will make it a decent ship where it belongs, not the OP steaming pile of pay-to-win it has been for the last year-and-a-half.

That’s right, folks! This thing has been raking people over the coals since October of 2017 and absolutely nothing was ever done about it.

Why?

Because they were still selling like hot cakes, that’s why.

But not anymore. This has been a long, long pattern with Wargaming that has long since ceased to be the odd occurrence or one-off thing and become a modus operadi.

Create an OP vehicle. Release it. Wait for people to buy it / burn up gold free XPing to get it. Once people all have it, “adjust it” to where it’s “balanced” (read as beat it to death with the nerf hammer to make it the way it should have been to begin with and then release your next, new, OP as all-get-out vehicle.)

Rinse – repeat. Year after year. Game after game.

Now, normally when you purchases something it comes with at least the basic premise that you’ll get what you paid for; if you don’t, then you get your money back.

Example: You go into a restaurant and buy a steak and pay for it. Then the waiter comes back and informs you they are out of steak. Well, you don’t have to pay for the steak. It’s really that simple. You get your money back and if you like you can purchase something else.

But not with Wargaming. With Wargaming, you walk in and buy a steak. You pay for a steak. They even bring you a plate with a steak on it, but about the time you’re a few bites into it really enjoying it they take that plate away from you, give you a pork chop, say “there you go, sir” and that’s that.

And that’s exactly what they’re doing with the Giulio Cesare. You bought an INTENTIONALLY OVER POWERED SHIP. They designed it, they tested it, they knew exactly how ridiculous it was. They let you play it for a year and a half.

Now, they’re taking that away and giving you an also ran T6 battleship. You can’t get your money back. They’ll “maybe” give you in game gold which is essentially useless to you because you wont be able to use it to buy most any new ship that comes out that you’re actually interested in.

Folks, it’s textbook wire fraud. Let’s look at the actual definition of wire fraud for just a moment (highlighted part by me):

The U.S. Department of Justice Criminal Resource Manual Section 941.18 U.S.C. 1343 cites these as the key elements of wire fraud: 1) a person voluntarily and intentionally devised or participated in a scheme to defraud another out of money; 2) that person did so with the intent to defraud; 3) it was reasonably foreseeable that interstate wire communications would be used; and 4) that interstate wire communications were in fact used. Wire fraud is a federal crime punishable up to 30 years in jail along with fines and restitution. The statute of limitations to bring a charge is five years, unless the wire fraud targeted a financial institution, in which case the statute of limitations is 10 years.

Folks, that’s exactly what they did. They introduced a ship for sale knowing full well it would sell because of how ridiculously over powered it was. Once it had sold as much as it was going to sell, they are moving it to where it is no longer the ship you bought, essentially taking it away from you and replacing it with another ship and keeping your money for doing it.

Now, if you had bought the ship for in game gold, you should get in game gold back. If you won the ship in a contest, well, you can take in game gold.

But if you paid cash for it, they need to give you your cash back. It’s not your fault that the developers are obviously not at all qualified for their jobs as they seem to do this over and over again.

But then again, the pattern Wargaming have shown over and over again is to do this exact thing: intentionally sell an item and later take it away in order to make money…well…we just read what that is, didn’t we?

You have 5 years, folks. So anything that has ever happened in World of Warships and most of what has happened in World of Tanks along these same lines is game.

I didn’t mention World of Warplanes simply because nobody ever played it.

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30 Responses

  1. kranvagn says:

    State of the game is terrible especially since they implemented a World of Warplanes into the Cv’s in World of Warships at least it is more balanced than before. The AA still needs work on many ships and it should balance out. Giulio Cesare is a bait and switch and who knows what the next ship will be Nickolai, Belfast, Kamikaze, or any one of the op premiums. It will end when someone pulls together a class action against them. Nobody has tried it seems as of yet. They must be losing money hard as they are putting up more sales compared to last year. Who knows what the future holds at this point surprised that an article hasn’t been written on the multiple different currencies in World of Warships yet. Maybe someone will get around to it eventually, but this was a good read.

  2. Gomez_Adams says:

    I’m betting it will wind up just like World of Tanks: inundated with premiums to the point it’s World of WarPremiums with MM so bad and clan trolls so profuse and stat mongers so ridiculously over the top that people will slowly start to leave it as well.

    Fact is, Wargaming have lost 10’s of millions of dollars in their banking stock alone, let alone all the lost revenues from the decline of World of Tanks, the complete failure of World of Warplanes, Total War Arena (which didn’t even last a year), the heavy decline of World of Tanks, and now a lot of the same complaints appearing about World of Warships.

    I see Warships doing the same exact thing that ran so many off from Tanks. It’s going to end the same way.

  3. Mr_Alex says:

    @Thing1, Gomez, Insurrectional_Leftist and etc

    I am not sure how true the rumors are but there was chat on reddit where someone mentioned Wargaming’s Financial Situation is pretty dire and they don’t think Wargaming as a whole will not last long at all

  4. Insurrectional_Leftist says:

    Too bad there never were any “Premium maps.” That’s something everyone would loved to have wanted. But no, all we got was the same ole broken maps simply re-skinned with the new broken gloss over. -Psst- What a mess. Never fear, Wargaming will use this an idea to actually come up with a way to charge $ players for playing on “Premium Maps”, watch and see if they don’t. That’s how they roll.

    They’ll come up with an igneous way to bill your account/per battle for your tank to appear on an number of premium excellently done maps that play better, etc… For a nominal amount of Gold/per battle $$$.

    Anything is possible with them, after the insurance policies against losses, if Match Maker gave you a rough losing streak,,, I really believe they would do anything. The Fraud has no bounds with Wargaming.

  5. Thing 1 says:

    God damnit Leftist!!! STOP GIVING THEM FUCKING IDEAS, MAN!!!

    @Mr_Alex, yeah. It is man. They are well and truly fucked.

    @Gomez – thanks large for covering my ass. Feeling a bit better now. It’s much appreciated.

  6. Mr_Alex says:

    @Thing1

    I heard the other day from my cousin who is a Supertester in the Asia server, he mentioned the other day that bots are being implemented and also the Russian and Europe players have been given access to Asia server as well. He calls the European and Russian players in terms of behaviour as severely toxic.

  7. Thing 1 says:

    When your entire fucking life is a video game, that’s how you turn out – toxic.

  8. kranvagn says:

    Exactly and sometimes they just make me laugh at what they spend their money on. Virtual pixels that have no value and a premium account that offers no premium add-ons besides increased credits and experience gain.

  9. Insurrectional_Leftist says:

    I agree. I have always thought some of these games should have to offer more than just increased credits & XP. It seems a lot of times that they should have offered more for money spent on so many things. And if you do spend, they simply find ways to give you games/battles, that would deplete your reserve of silver/credits on certain vehicles, or tier of vehicles to drain your (earned from grinding), or purchased $ credits. “Their like one arm bandits, where the Match Maker, RNG, Maps, Bad Teams, Nerfs, etc. are credit sinks to “deplete your account.” Not to mention your time.

  10. kranvagn says:

    look at this https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/185241-a-concern-with-sub-octavian-and-the-giulio-cesare/?page=1
    really funny what’s happening here and this Radar_X guy is trying to defend the douchebag Sub_Octavian’s absence.

  11. Thing 1 says:

    Sub Octavian (real name Phil Molodkovets) is a fucking douche bag and always has been. He helps design this shit to begin with and helps plan how to go about screwing people.

  12. Thing 1 says:

    Annnnnnd LOCKED!

    Fucking douche bags! Whiskey let them have it. Two posts later, locked.

  13. kranvagn says:

    https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/184693-the-saga-of-giulio-cesare/
    Another one locked, they are such cowards. Hope they get sued one of these days for all the shit they have pulled.

  14. Thing 1 says:

    What a bunch of fucking criminals.

  15. kranvagn says:

    Agreed, and hope their asses get a wake up call soon and that this site grows even more. It’s these dumb whales that keep them afloat and are so stupid for wasting money on a fucked up video game made by shady shitten assholes that cater to fucking pedophiles. Wish they had a big kick in the nuts for their fucking shady ass hell business practices. I have said enough, keep up the great content and keep Wargaming on their toes.

  16. Thing 1 says:

    In the whales defense, they get what they pay for. They get to break all the fucking rules. And since they have no life and blow every last fucking dime they have on that stupid fucking game, Wargaming caters to them.

    What’s funny is that once they lose the ability to keep paying, they instantly join the ranks of the complainers, and of course suffer the safe fate.

  17. kranvagn says:

    https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/185153-giulio-cesare-should-premiums-stay-op-for-the-sake-of-a-fair-business-practice-unfortunately-yes/
    Look Phil the manipulative marketing guy shows up and the guy who can’t pick sides Landedkiller posts too lol.

  18. Thing 1 says:

    Yeah. Locked up too. I love the all caps all bold wall of text LK posted. That’s how all his shit was he submitted here: a wall of fucking text or copy and pasted garbage I’d spend two hours trying to sort out just to make it fucking legible.

  19. kranvagn says:

    Wow he should have just typed it jeez. He is such an idiot and needs to be more respectful of you thing 1. You could have been doing other things in those two hours. Landedkiller you need to be more respectful of people’s time asshole he is.

  20. landedkiller says:

    Landekiller is still watching what is posted here and is not as dumb as you think Kranvagn. I could have spent more time on the post and should have. Being a a full time college student and working full time takes away from time that could have been spent towards that post. Thing 1 I do respect and am still watching what is going on here. So Kranvagn why don’t do you make like a tree and get out of here. At least I tried to contribute some to this website even if it was merely just copying and pasting some text. Read the Kasota article and see for yourself how pissed I was at Wargaming. I am still against Wargaming and have been close to getting forum banned, because I called out Sub_Octvain for his bullshit.

  21. kranvagn says:

    You don’t know how to spell your own name lol. Dude your the douchebag that can’t pick a fucking side and it shows. Your either with the program or your not. You can’t be pro Wargaming and anti Wargaming at the same time. Thing 1 has had enough of you go away asshole. Your a Benedict Arnold and it shows.

  22. landedkiller says:

    You ignorant idiot, I was tricked by fucking marketing and thought that shit would get better and it didn’t. I openly encouraged Scorpiany on the world of tanks forums to make addional posts here and have been active in speaking out against Wargaming. Thing 1 has had enough of me of course and I do understand that I can be a selfish prick at times, but I at least can own up to it. I’ll spell my name correctly then landedkiller that good for ya Kranvagn. I am fucking pissed at Wargaming and have been actively boycotting their games and am instead supporting Gaijin. I see Gaijin as being more open about their gameplay changes unlike fucking Wargaming. If thing 1 is still sore about the past he has every right to be and I deserve what I have been dealt. The games Wargaming has made have only turned into glorified gambling in my eyes not giving them another fucking penny ever again. So there you have it

  23. kranvagn says:

    Bravo idiot it doesn’t make up for making Thing 1 look stupid on his own website for still having your posts up. Get the point your not welcome here so go home and get the fuck outta here bitch. Your not welcome here anymore and of course Thing 1 keeps the posts up, because he can do whatever the fuck he pleases. Now get the fuck off this page and stop playing fucking video games and thinking that anyone cares about what you think, because they don’t. They have moved on with their own lives motherfucker. Now leave and don’t bother commenting on here again.

  24. Azumaya22 says:

    This post has been deleted by Thing 1

    Reason: Dude, don’t sign up from your fucking I Phone on Reddit just to come here and make this post. Use a real account or don’t post at all.

  25. Thing 1 says:

    Annnnnnnnnd panties are all kinds of fucking wadded up all of a sudden.

    @Landed – Dude, for a “full time student”, you sure as fuck spend more time playing games and posting on forums than anybody else I know with the possible exception of GeorgePreddy. So give it a fucking rest.

    @kravagn – LOL @ You don’t know how to spell your own name

  26. Insurrectional_Leftist says:

    omg… 🙂 Relax guys. The enemy is Wargaming. It’s going to be fine man. Just hang together, and we’ll all be here when the curtain falls down upon Wargaming in the Final Act.

  27. Thing 1 says:

    Annnnnnnnd word around the camp fire is that they have now CANCELLED the proposed move to T6.

    How ’bout them fucking apples, sports fans?

  28. kranvagn says:

    About dam time those idiots will go out business someday. Landedkiller calm the heck down enough is enough dude. Thing 1 I was pissed and should have controlled my anger better. He is a darn whale after all. Looking forward to your next post.

  29. Gotti_The_Dog says:

    Thx for the article Gomez_Adams, and EWOT. I’m a new visitor and was just looking the site over and this article struck as so SO “hit the nail on the head” true. They even do it with their standard tech tree vehicles. Spend months of life grinding and free xping a line to get the current tier 10 flavor of the season for clan wars, after owning it half the time that it took you to get it, they determine “it needs rebalanced, I guess you gotta spend your money time and effort on the next one now.” I haven’t been on my main account (Titan_363, NA server) since I read about the next update nerfs (update, 1.5) picking on arty and type 5. It just pisses me off to no end. We can’t have tier 10 arty hit you for 400 hp and 15 seconds of stun, but its ok if a JgPz E 100 hammers ya in the face for 1500 or 1800. And the type 5, I don’t know how they reach the claimed “average alpha” they advertise in the specs, but I average about 400hp a hit with the prem round, and now they want to reduce the alpha for it by 500 if I’m understanding correctly. Well sorry for the rant, just meant to acknowledge the time you guys spend. Thank you.

  30. Insurrectional_Leftist says:

    They can’t stop ripping the players off. Everything you said is true. I could quote so many examples here I could write a book! I spent the endless hours of grinding, spent money $, long hours on end playing for a about close to 5.5 years on the game. And the took my Waffentragger E100 away from me completely ( after I suffered all the nerfs, and gave me that piece of crap in place of it etc.) I ground every tank in the German Tech tree except for the tier X arty, and the last 2 new light tanks, ( basically had the whole German tech tree, all the perms except fore about shy of 2 perm tanks ) And they changed all the dynamics, nerfed, robbed, depleted all the vehicles around that I worked so hard to get !!! And even paid for!! (They would do it ‘indirectly by indirect nerfs: map changes that aided certain nations, and hurt other nations! Map rotations, map changes, game changes, mechanics changes, etc. you name it Tanks can be nerfed indirectly by not even touching the vehicle even.)
    The force people to want to grind in other directions, to spend more money $, and most importantly “Time.” They desperately need players to keep playing to keep the game running. Most of the average players have given up on stats! The stats ( con-job ) is rigged all the way to Mars, and people finally figure that out, and no longer play for stats, unless they have devoted their entire lives ( no – life – people ), and even still, their not honest brokers even. That’s a story within itself.
    I have plenty of tier X’s, and about 8 tier X’s not even purchased even! Because I no longer saw any use in spending the 6 something million credits to buy the damn things! It wasn’t worth it. Money loss playing them, it’s a rigged tier (x) to play in, bad games, and losing streaks etc.
    It’s a master con job my friend! Take it from me. I hardly even play anymore, Last time I played was back in January. And had not even played for 9 months prior to that. After that damn new patch dropped, 1.0 onward they crippled the damn game!!! Maps, Nerfs, OP vehicles, Russian OP vehicles, pay to win shit, “It’s an absolute joke man.”
    I decided to play a few games say tomorrow, I only play for shits n giggles now! Nothing more! I have tanks on 4 tech trees over there, and could be pushed for 4 new tier X’s and I don’t even care to bother with it. Don’t even want to play that disaster tier 9 to even get the tier X’s at all.
    I would only play my premiums, and the vehicles I have fun with,, { IF THEY HAVE NOT BE FUCKED OVER BY NOW}
    It’s a very sore subject with me actually. And they wonder why the game is dying, and all the players have left them?

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